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Tuesday, June 20, 2006

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Em

I work 4 shifts a month at a job I love. I consider myself a SAHM. I work with a relative who, since I "dropped off" when my first child was born, has tried to get me to work more, to aspire to higher positions within the company. I finally told her recently, "I am just not as ambitious as you must think I am". It felt so good to say that instead of pretending I was too busy, too anything. I just don't want to. I could be rich but I'd rather be happy. But not being ambitious doesn't sound very good. Maybe I should be honest and say that I have my heart's desire right now. A great job, a great husband (usually), great kids (usually) and the time to spend with them. I'm pretty sure thats what MY foremothers fought for. Thats the thing about ambitions, you can't have them for someone else.

Screw this Linda person - when her 15 minutes are up...poof!

Mir

Xanax!

I think you just cracked this one wide open, Sheryl!

Tonio

"I'm a philosopher, and it's a philosopher's job to tell people how they should lead their lives."

Bull. I wish I could write the sentence below in 500-point type:

IT IS NO ONE'S JOB TO TELL OTHERS HOW TO LIVE THEIR LIVES.

Advise, suggest, yes. Tell, no. Even advice columnists don't offer advice unless solicited.

Having said that, I think Hirshman is largely correct when she pointed out that religious fundamentalism is behind a lot of the stay-at-home movement. I'm a man who believes that feminism is about women making choices without men, other women or society interfering in those choices. I think the fundamentalist connection needs to be explored further. Have any of you ever read Margaret Atwood's novel "The Handmaid's Tale"? Or Judy Mann's book "The Difference," which traces much of society's patriarchal attitudes to religion?

Elizabeth

Have I mentioned lately that you are a genius?

No? My bad-- because WOMAN, those neuron receptors and synapses and whatnot are a snapping and a crackling with the good fire. And you have 3 kids and you focus the energies of your day on the raising and nurturing of those kids and LOOK! Your brain could still kick Hirschbitch's ass six ways to Sunday.

Anyone who sits down to make generalizations about people is a dope. That's like the first thing you learn in high school, non? Certainly, you can't get through college without a basic grasp of this truth-- so Hirschbitcher is clearly someone who missed the important stuff-- thus, I say PBBBFFFFTTTtttttt with my tongue to her silly essay.

marian

well said. well written.

"If you treat your relationship like an option contract, making sure that everything is split 50/50 right down the middle, the only thing your sure to end up with is a long list of resentments and a big honkin' score card. Who wants to live like that?"

exactly.

Michele

Fab.U.Lous.Post.

Marian already quoted my favorite part.

((((((golf clap))))))

Laylabean

Linda Hirshman? Never heard of her, but from what you said about her, I'm nauseated. I wonder what birth order she is. It's pretty likely that if her mother had listened her advice, Linda wouldn't be with us today. The good news is that people who think like that aren't reproducing themselves, so their idealogoy dwindles and may even die out completely - eventually.

wlfryke

Hows this for an opinion...How about daughters(I have two) raised by moms they admire...and learn from...My eldest has said to me, numerous times....that I'm UNDEREMPLOYED at home. I take this as an extreem cmpliment. She at 16 is now understanding that I MADE A CHOICE. and that having kids and raising them, did not kill off any brain cells or ambition I have. You further womens causes by raising KICK ASS DAUGHTERS!!!not by having a Beemer and a secretary to return your calls. You do the Back aching work of holding the next GENERATION on your shoulders....Thats how you show the world how real women do it!!!!
Wendy

lizardek

You rock, Sheryl. That was PERFECT. Spot on.

Irene

thank you for this.

Momcani

I am secure in who I am. I know that I am the equal to any man out there. I have nothing to prove. I work because those kids I have? Well, they need food, clothes, shelter. I have a job outside the home, but I am a mom. There is no shame in that. Those who would say otherwise don't understand what that means. If you want a career, have it. Eqaulity doesn't mean you have to abandon motherhood. It means you have a choice. Yeah for us, we choose to be moms.

Kate the Shrew

Excellent post.

Absolutely, feminism was supposed to be about giving us the power to choose.

If someone were forcing me to stay at home in my pearls and heels for the rest of my life, I'd be out there on the picket lines. As it is, I'm happy being a SAHM. My choice.

When did we lose sight of this?

DM

Yay! I love these posts, Sheryl, I really do. I hate the Mommy wars because I think they are stupid. If you want to work, fine. Work. If you want to stay home, fine. Stay home. Is it really that important?

As a non-parent, I sometimes find myself being judged because I made a decision not to have children. I hear everything from "It's every woman's responsibility to have children" to "It's different when you have your own children (because I don't deal well with small children)."

Why can't people respect each other's decisions?

dutch from sweet juniper

Linda Hirshman's "how to marry" plan may work better for her, though, because, let's face it, she's no lauren bacall.

excellent post, Sheryl. I would love to shove that classist argument down her throat in person. it's an important one.

Tonio

Re: DMI...Doesn't that bug the hell out of you? That "every woman's responsibility" line is a load of crap. Do you hear that mostly from women or from men, or equally from both?

In Slate recently, a reader asked Dear Prudence on how to deal with family members and friends who were pressuring her to have kids. Prudence advised the reader that she may want to rethink her decision not to have children. The response to that was staggering, and I can understand why--my parents withheld love and approval when my siblings and I hadn't yet had children, and when we did, they tried to interfere with our parenting decisions.

mo-wo

Thanks for the comment over at my house today Sheryl.. and I am so glad to have access to your insights here. I have further noted that this philosophy of hers is very linear and basic in its vision of families.

While the drugery of homelife she abhors is so distinct to her -- my desire to indulge in the 'distraction' of my family after years of working at god knows what jobs ??? is a substandard choice. A lot of mothers I know put in a good 10-15 years working prior to childrearin'.. how much productivity will be enough for this person and must it be sequential... ??

yep which way for the medicine cupboard Ladies and gentlemen?

Her Bad Mother

I read Mo-Wo and L. on this, then came here. You put it all perfectly, perfectly. I have about, oh, a trillion things that I'd like say in response, but they largely boil down to YES, yes, yes, yes, YES, ditto, ditto, hear hear, yes, YES.

I'm going to have to blow my own fuse on this one at some point, when my head is clearer. I'll give you credit for inspiration when I do.

Bethiclaus

While I completely agree that each perons should have the autonomy to make her own choice on this issue, I have to wonder why we have such an inequality in the way we see things for men and women.

You say that the only way you could live the life Hirshman describes is if you were medicated. Someone must work hard to bring in sufficient income for a family to have a stay-at-home parent. Why is it fair to expect that men should do that in every situation?

I'm sure that you are not proposing that all women should stay home, or even that women who choose to work 60 hour weeks are neglecting their children, I just thought that it was an interesting point in this debate.

bubandpie

Great post (found it through Her Bad Mother's Hirshman slag-fest). The fundamental contradiction in Hirshman's argument is the idea that "women need to get to the top to change the world" BUT "in order to do so they have to recreate themselves as 1950s husbands." To the extent that anyone actually takes her advice, the result will be, if anything, worse than ever: a world governed by women who have given up their family life for their careers, and expect others to do the same. How is that not just the status quo?

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